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Old 11-04-14, 04:19 PM   #1
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So I've been studying Ethical Hedonism.

We believe that suffering can be hedonistic. For example if you propose to someone that suffering has no cause, they will defend tooth and nail their right to be offended. We are creatures of intoxicated with sensation and stimulation. I guess that's a fancy way of saying we like drama.

So anyway, I'm wondering something: in the words of Dr. Phil, "what's the payoff?" "People do what works." If it wasn't working they wouldn't do it.

So why do I have these "voices?"

Possibilities:

-Negative attention is better than no attention
-Protect me from opening up to strangers or acquaintances as if we're best friends
-Loveable underdog
-Victim

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Hello to you... (in a very english accent)

I hear you on this one... im not a viewer of Dr Phil, for obvious reason being in a different country, however ive heard of him.

Take it from Dr DJ instead....

we as a human species werent actually supposed to be around other people. Depending on how you view life, religion, science yaddy yaddy ya. Im a believer of science,,, so i believe that we were really hunters and gatherers. Not a divine race. So i think with evolution it depends on you! If you are of the type of wanting or needing attention. Thats nothing against you, however it is a cause for seeking any form of attention. So possibility one is viable.

Drama comes in all shapes and sizes as im sure your more than capable to understand that. Self protection is a basic instinct so dont see it as an out of body action to protect you. See it as an action you are doing yourself to preserve you existence.

I dont like to use the word victim as i am one of those myself. Turn it around. Whilst its hard. I get voices and its not nice. But fight it. You can overcome. It takes time to control. Instead of victim use role model. Use the energies against that word and everything that word represents. Use the opposite direction as your path towards happier times
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So why do I have these "voices?"

My point of view that its simply a disorder, so i could equalize that sentence with "Why do i have autism" "Why do i have hemophilia", "Why do i have AIDS", "Why do i have diabetes", "Why am i missing one limb" and such. Its not something you chosen, willingly or unwillingly, its not something you chosen, its something you got, without wishing for it.
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Thanks to both of you for finding my post and responding.

Dimitri I know in the past you said to not switch coping strategies so quickly. So for the past two weeks I've been practicing and studying Ethical Hedonism. I love talking about it, but I won't bore you with the details. I plan to continue this until the 18th of November when I finally meet with my therapist (who I haven't seen since around September 25th).

I like what you had to say DJ. Maybe it's a defense mechanism to protect myself from conflict or control. I have to fight them.

But Dimitri, you might be right. Maybe it's just a quirk, a condition. That would point to medication managment as well as the same coping strategy.

What are your thoughts everyone?
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Good luck with that!!! I hope it works for you :)

You wont bore me with it, that is i presume like something similar to Epicureanism ( from philosopher Epicur)?
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Epicurus was one of them yes. He taught more about decreasing pain. Not my thing.

I follow Aristeppus of Cyrene: altruism can be pleasurable, don't be enslaved to pleasure (i.e. overeating, alcoholism, drug addiction) and don't harm anyone (not sure if it's "don't harm anyone" or "don't infringe on anyone's rights" which are two different things: calling someone a moron doesn't infringe on his or her rights but it's harmful). I'm still in the learning phase, as I love to learn, but it's not rocket science, so I can start without full knowledge of what the Greeks said.

Yeah I love declaring it for some reason.

I have been doing this for about a week, since last Monday. My mood has improved, my sleep has improved (more energy I guess), eating less and not drinking alcohol during the week as I don't have any emotional issues to stuff with these products.

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Epicurus was one of them yes. He taught more about decreasing pain. Not my thing.

I follow Aristeppus of Cyrene: altruism can be pleasurable, don't be enslaved to pleasure (i.e. overeating, alcoholism, drug addiction) and don't harm anyone (not sure if it's "don't harm anyone" or "don't infringe on anyone's rights" which are two different things: calling someone a moron doesn't infringe on his or her rights but it's harmful). I'm still in the learning phase, as I love to learn, but it's not rocket science, so I can start without full knowledge of what the Greeks said.
I see. I just dont get relevance of altruism with it. Altruist is person who helps others even when it means delivering harm on himself, kind of can relate to that, but i dont see relevance between that and those teachings.

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I have been doing this for about a week, since last Monday. My mood has improved, my sleep has improved (more energy I guess), eating less and not drinking alcohol during the week as I don't have any emotional issues to stuff with these products.
I am more then happy to hear this!!!!

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Oh that's what altruism is? I thought it was either "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" or "doing something without expecting anything in return." I could never figure out which one of them it was, but I figured it just boiled down to helping others within reason. I had no clue that altruism was sacrificing yourself for others. Not my thing. In that case it has I guess nothing to do with hedonism. But I help others all the time, especially my grandmother whom I adore.

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Oh that's what altruism is? I thought it was either "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" or "doing something without expecting anything in return." I could never figure out which one of them it was, but I figured it just boiled down to helping others within reason. I had no clue that altruism was sacrificing yourself for others. Not my thing. In that case it has I guess nothing to do with hedonism. But I help others all the time, especially my grandmother whom I adore.
IMO that is better then altruism. :)

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-Southern DJ, did I understand you right? The "voices" are a defense mechanism to preserve my identity?

-Anyone care to weigh in on what the payoff might be? "People do what works" -Dr. Phil
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