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Old 10-13-12, 08:16 AM   #21
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Monkeychild, I use my definitions of words to communicate what I feel, not necessarily the answer to the other's question. :)
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Interesting. I don't really find the idea of this inspiring, but I understand the thought process behind it. I just think it's kind of depressing to think that there's no "right" answer to how society should be governed. If all of it falls under scrutiny and there's no perfect system... well, I guess I'll try to keep from sharing too many negative thoughts on the wrong side of the forum.

People are usually quick to bring out that "nothing is perfect and perfection is boring" when I decry things like that. That's fine if you think that, but I feel like there has to be an optimized system. I keep thinking that there has to be something that is the CLOSEST to perfect, for each time period, shifting appropriately as society and technical advancements change the nature of living and how the world should be lead.

I think a truly optimized system of government would be far different from what there is right now. I think it would be, in fact, unlike anything anyone's yet seen happen on this planet. I think a true good authority would not crumble under questioning but would hold to proper reason rather than human nature.

I guess that kind of makes me sound religious, in a non-spiritual way. Not that that's bad.
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Daftone, in a way there is a right way... just, as an authority figure, always explain yourself! to everyone involved (actually, to everyone, period).


Another "right way" is that we have to play it by ear! I agree with you on the optimized gov too, and it being a first as we know on this planet... I hope I'm explaining the following right... first we have to start with ourselves, and treating everyone in our immediate vicinity how we want to be treated... "love your neighbor as you love yourself" with "your neighbor" being literally the person beside you... another way to explain is just know (and this is spiritual, not religious) that we are all connected in one piece by light and in the end it will have moved totally together forever, compressed totally so it can't be broken, having gone around and escaped from all non-light matter (we are natural self-correctors) so we and all we loved will be saved forever in every way. Teaching people this actually brings a whole new meaning to responsible government or any type of authority! Even if that means simply giving a hug rather than a slap, figuratively (and literally) speaking. :D I'm not saying "be a naive idiot and reward your enemies"... I'm saying change your enemies so they aren't enemies any more... nicely! Yes, it's a reward, but it actually works, and is actually diplomatic, and love is not a reward but a right!! (And it's actually deserved... everyone just has a problem that needs to be solved.)
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People are usually quick to bring out that "nothing is perfect and perfection is boring" when I decry things like that. That's fine if you think that, but I feel like there has to be an optimized system. I keep thinking that there has to be something that is the CLOSEST to perfect, for each time period, shifting appropriately as society and technical advancements change the nature of living and how the world should be lead.
But often what appears close to perfect for one may appear far from morally permissible to another!
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I heard a nice quote from Genie Scott (a great ladycrush of mine) relating to authority just earlier today, and it reminded me of this thread.

"Let's take a look at authority. Now, I come from California, where there's a bumper sticker that's very popular - 'Question Authority.' I always get this great urge to grab a magic marker and when I see one of these bumper stickers write 'Question Authority, but stop at stop signs.' Authority in and of itself is not necessarily negative."
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I find stop signs to be more of a suggestion than direct authority ;D
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But often what appears close to perfect for one may appear far from morally permissible to another!
I don't necessarily agree that morality is subjective. I mean, it COULD be. However, what I'm saying is on the basis that there might actually be an objective morality, but also that we're not really sure yet what it actually is.
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We're not sure about what the objective morality is because someone hasn't thunk it up yet! ;)

Even if there was an objective morality, who would enforce it? Nationalism appears to encompass the global representation of subjective "objective morality," or else there would be none of this territorial pissings kinda stuff goin' on :)
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