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Old 08-10-11, 11:04 AM   #1
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Bitterness really can make you sick


Misty Harris, Postmedia News

Published: Tuesday, August 09, 2011
Tell one person they make you sick, it's hyperbole. Tell dozens of people over time that they make you sick, and you may have a real medical argument.

Researchers from Concordia University in Montreal report that constant bitterness can lead to physical illness, affecting everything from organ function to immune response and vulnerability to disease.
Researchers from Concordia University in Montreal report that constant bitterness can lead to physical illness, affecting everything from organ function to immune response and vulnerability to disease.

The findings, which appear in the new book Embitterment: Societal, Psychological and Clinical Perspectives, shed light on the complex ways in which people's attitudes and feelings affect their health.



"Negative emotions typically have the power to influence our biology," says Carsten Wrosch, an associate professor of psychology.

"They can . . . release more cortisol into circulation, which in turn, can communicate with other body systems - the immune system, for example. And if there's immune dysregulation, such as systemic inflammation, that increases the person's likelihood of developing a host of different diseases."

Plainly, in blaming the world for your problems, you invite even more woes upon yourself.

Wrosch and his co-author, Jesse Renaud, identify failure as a major culprit behind bitterness, which sees people pointing fingers at external causes for their shortcomings rather than looking at their own actions.

"It's not only the failure; it's the way people attribute causes to the failure," explains Wrosch.

The good news is that people's ability to judge goal-attainment improves with age. This means that the same failures don't necessarily bear the same health consequences for everyone.

Wrosch reports that over time, people get better at "self-regulating" and deciding which objectives are worth pursing (the ones that are important, and that they have a good opportunity of reaching) and which are better to abandon before bitterness sets in (those with little hope of success).

"It's actually possible that quitting can be associated with better well-being, better biological processes and better physical health," says Wrosch. "But only if you can't reach the goal."

In the words of comedian W.C. Fields: "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. No use being a damn fool about it."
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It's news like this that makes me more depressed. People have blamed me for blaming depression on sources besides myself. It's accusing me of being selfish and arrogant when I'm not and it's almost like they're saying I deserve depression. What's the problem with not blaming something on myself if I have legit reasons? If I didn't, I'd be blaming 100% on myself and screaming "it's my fault! it's my fault" (which is something I do sometimes anyways) which is going to be as bad for my health if not worse. All of the health problems in this article happen with depression regardless of who you blame.

I hate it when people say "if you don't succeed, try again" because that's an oversimplistic view of my problems. Try what? What if there's nothing to try? I try to explain myself, but then all I get is "you're making excuses", as if I'm lead on this circus where I'm criticized or ridiculed for everything I say. I'm thinking there is NO solution for me, no hope. If I haven't found it by now I probably never will. Anyway stories like this are oversimplistic because I doubt most depressed people are going to say, "oh, it's scientifically proven depression causes health problems so I'm going to flick a switch and stop thinking that way."
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I don't know - I think certain conditions can be conditioned

such as people who face tremendous challenges throughout their lives that were out of their control:

bullying
parental neglect/abandonment
job-loss after busting your butt
unempathetic lovers
selfish/abusive people exploiting you

There are outside influences that condition how someone sees themselves and how the world may treat them

But on the flipside that is where one's strength comes into play - you have to believe in yourself to fight off the fears that have been instilled in you, it's a difficult process and very easy to suggest - I can give advice for someone to do such while I'm struggling with it myself

which is the truth
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I'm sorry, given the date of this article I'm perplexed that researchers are just discovering this. I thought this was something we already knew.

Cactus, I agree that when you are suffering, it's okay to be bitter every once in a while. It's healthy to accept your emotions because you simply need to. However, when it goes on for years, it's not healthy.
I'm NOT saying you can just turn it off. If it was, this site would not exist.

From my perspective (I know you don't agree with me, but I'll say it anyway), if one posits that depression is an illness that keeps you from functioning properly, and it stands to reason that years of illness can lead to complications... what conclusions might you draw from that?
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It's news like this that makes me more depressed. People have blamed me for blaming depression on sources besides myself. It's accusing me of being selfish and arrogant when I'm not and it's almost like they're saying I deserve depression. What's the problem with not blaming something on myself if I have legit reasons? If I didn't, I'd be blaming 100% on myself and screaming "it's my fault! it's my fault" (which is something I do sometimes anyways) which is going to be as bad for my health if not worse. All of the health problems in this article happen with depression regardless of who you blame.
i totally agree.
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Yah, I don't see this as exactly 'new' news, but the recent date makes it more mainstream so people who never thought of it before are like, "oh, wow!" Many of us here have already known it for ourselves. I think they said the same stuff in the 60's and 70's but it must bare repeating since we're still saying it.
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It has always seemed obvious to me. I blame what has happened to me as a causation, sure, that is true but it will never help.

I blame my current state on myself and my own frame of mind, plain and simple; for only when we can identify why we suffer in our own minds can we begin to recify the problem.

Personally right now I am tempted to take salsa/tango dance classes to meet people. I want a dog, to feel love without needing to trust women (something I cannot do at the moment). I'm even tempted to start writing so that I may expand my vocabulary and become more wise so to speak. I even want my own place.

The problem is the dog and own place isn't realistic for a few years. Ugh I wish I was older lol.

Feel like you hate yourself? Why? You probably did nothing to deserve it so why not stop blaming other problems and find a way to be positive. Meet new people, confide in others or pick up a new hobby. You then invite opportunities into your life which could make us feel better. Sure you may be afraid of it getting worse, but it will get worse if you do nothing regardless.
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Blaming the world for your troubles makes you sick, but blaming yourself for your troubles makes you sicker.

Sometimes, anyway.

So I agree with Cactus and Blue Girl. However, we must not be hypocrites... we must be careful to not blame the others for blaming us... they could get depressed too and then it's a cycle... or else, we should just walk away and find someone WORTH talking to.

Aaaargh... sometimes it seems we an't help who we blame, till we realize it's no one's fault.
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On a lighter note, now I know why Final Fantasy villains are always so crazy.
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