Originally Posted by TheFailedOne
Yes hence why I said they need to change there approach. Am going to be pulling numbers out of my ass so no one take these as factual numbers.
For instance say CBT has 75% chance of helping someone with self-esteem issues. When it fails counselor never stops goes "O this person is part of 25% that this doesn't work on". Also those in field don't understand 75% success rate on a treatment is abysmal. This would be doctor's third or fourth option before they went to it. Counselors on the other hand see it as an solving hammer and have no idea what to do when a screw sits down.
More research, better trained counselors, and counselors who understand that treatment needs to be flexible designed for patient. Or in there words, this is process that both counselor and patient work on.
yeah, totally agree. And just to clarify - I wasn't arguing with you. When I used the word "you" I was referring to mental health professionals. Another thing I want to add is that studies have shown that CBT has poor long-term effectiveness, even for that hypothetical 75%. So even people who claim it's effective often end up relapsing in a short period of time.
This is just my opinion, but I suspect part of the problem is that a lot of patients aren't honest about their experiences with treatment. When I was in outpatient, I met far too many people who "successfully" completed therapy, but admitted that it didn't help at all. A lot of them lied to their therapists, claimed that they were better, and didn't bother going back. There were various reasons for this. Some said they felt guilty/ashamed about letting their therapist down. Others couldn't afford to continue or felt it was a waste of time. Then there were some who simply did it to fulfill legal obligations. To be honest, I've done all of those things myself in the past. I have a feeling that this isn't uncommon and it results in skewed statistics.
More people need to speak up about this. Confirmation bias is a major issue in this field. This will continue as long as our voices aren't heard. Unfortunately, most folks who have essentially been labeled "lost causes" by the system are tired and apathetic.
Thats what government pays for. Just don't go to any place that requires you to pay for those 8 sessions. If government isn't giving them money then something is fishy. If government is giving them money then there screwing you over for session and in taxes.
That's interesting. Most of the places I've been referred to required payment for the 8 sessions. Maybe things are different now. I'm currently getting free 40-minute sessions for a limited time, but only because it's part of the follow-up for outpatient/crisis services.