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Old 09-18-16, 09:13 AM   #1
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Why have I never found therapy effective? I go, I talk, I listen, I do what I'm told. It just has never helped me. There are people who swear by therapy and won't touch medication, but I've just never found it helpful. What's wrong with me?
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Do you open yourself up during them? I have never been able to therefore, I never got anything out of them and wouldn't try them anymore but the failure is on me, not on the method.
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I do open up though. I'll tell them anything. It just doesn't seem to do any good though.
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Sometimes it's definately not you. Finding the right fit can be tricky and I've been to quite a few different therapists before getting one that helped me. Its kind of like finding a dance partner to your own beat. I dont know your diagnoses, take for example depression, sometimes only meds can help cause some people are clinically depressed (depression out of no where for no particular reason). Some people have more situational stuff going on......so different approaches like mindful thinking or just letting it out is most helpful.
In my own personal journey for help, I've also tried things like meditation, self help books, learning about different approaches to behaviour (which also helped me ask better questions), tai chi, and even accupuncture. I mention accupuncture cause a good one will not just address your physical well being, but your mental state as well. For some reason it just clicked with me, felt like it activated "self healing" if that makes any sense. I hope you find your way, over the years I've found you to be a well educated girl who has asked some good questions. Feel free to keep asking more.
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Thank you for your response and kind words Dax :)
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Same here. I've seen like a million therapists and it's always been useless overall. I really don't understand how it helps everyone else.
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Its very much mismatch of counselors, so if you meet another one you get that feeling and you break the news to them say it blunt and to the fact. It isn't me (Hidden) its you (counselor).

I give counselor 5 sessions. If in 5 sessions I don't see something I like, I leave. I tell them what expect in first session and tell them that there on the clock and at 5 am out the door.

So you really need to ask yourself why are you seeing counselor? What do you hope to accomplish etc.

I've gone through 18 and now just start calling them by number till I find moniker that suits them better then there name.
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It seems like therapists have essentially become self-help gurus. They aren't actually involved in the treatment process at all. They just give you some cliche advice you've heard a million times already, give you some crap to read, assign pointless "homework" tasks (which they rarely follow up on), and take their paycheck. Once they've taken enough of your money and your problems still haven't been solved, they'll tell you it's all your fault and fire you.

Most of the information therapists give you can easily be found online or in a library (if those still exist - I wouldn't know). Some people argue that guidance from a therapist can be helpful but that's never been the case for me. I already understand my disorder better than they ever will, and the advice they give me is never in alignment with my personal goals or circumstances. They take a one-size-fits-all assembly line approach and it just doesn't work. The only benefit I ever got from therapy was getting the opportunity to vent about shit. Nowadays, they don't even let me do that. They change the topic every time I try to express myself.

One thing's for sure: I will never spend another dollar on this fucking garbage they call "therapy" again. At least not until they completely revamp their approach. Tired of this new-age, pseudo-scientific bullshit.
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[QUOTE=Black Sheep;2612345]It seems like therapists have essentially become self-help gurus. They aren't actually involved in the treatment process at all. They just give you some cliche advice you've heard a million times already, give you some crap to read, assign pointless "homework" tasks (which they rarely follow up on), and take their paycheck. Once they've taken enough of your money and your problems still haven't been solved, they'll tell you it's all your fault and fire you.

Most of the information therapists give you can easily be found online or in a library (if those still exist - I wouldn't know). Some people argue that guidance from a therapist can be helpful but that's never been the case for me. I already understand my disorder better than they ever will, and the advice they give me is never in alignment with my personal goals or circumstances. They take a one-size-fits-all assembly line approach and it just doesn't work. The only benefit I ever got from therapy was getting the opportunity to vent about shit. Nowadays, they don't even let me do that. They change the topic every time I try to express myself.

Completely agree with you on this one. Last time I went looking for counselor, I decided to shop around and to my complete utter shock I found that each and every single one of them had a new policy rule on how many sessions you get. Yes these "counselors" (they really shouldn't be called that) have decided they can fix you 8 sessions.

O the number is always 8, regardless of the service I called, issues I had and may history. Also they get mad if you decide to spread out your 8 sessions. However back on topic, the reason why its 8 and have called them all out on it and they won't even deny it, is that province only gives funding for first 8 sessions. They get funding for 8 sessions, yet you still have to pay to go to your 8 sessions.

Lucky people starting to catch on to there scam and am seeing more and more of them getting dropped by insurance companies.

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One thing's for sure: I will never spend another dollar on this fucking garbage they call "therapy" again. At least not until they completely revamp their approach. Tired of this new-age, pseudo-scientific bullshit.
While I agree a revamp is in order, I disagree on call it all pseudo-science. A lot of (there is some out there peddling pseudo-scientifically backed approaches) the treatments are backed by hard science.

The problem is that counselors have forgotten that they are treating people with mental illness and not physical illness. There is no mental antibiotic, yet counselors believe there approach is perfect can be applied to everyone and works 100% of the time.

Counselors, you need to learn more then one form of treatment. You need to realize that what worked for A doesn't work for B even through both had problem C
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While I agree a revamp is in order, I disagree on call it all pseudo-science. A lot of (there is some out there peddling pseudo-scientifically backed approaches) the treatments are backed by hard science.
Calling it hard science is being overly generous IMO. Take CBT for instance. Sure, it's based on scientifically sound principles (e.g. conditioning, desensitization, etc.), but it falls apart in practice. I wish I could find my research papers from years ago. There's a ton of evidence to suggest that CBT is largely ineffective, yet it remains the most popular form of treatment for most mental illnesses. In fact, where I live, it's pretty much the only treatment you can find aside from medication.

There are so many inconsistencies in the approach it's not even funny. The behavioral component is flawed because there is no way to control the external environment or how others respond to the patient. A patient may take all of the correct actions and still have repeated negative experiences which confirm their "irrational" beliefs. Despite this, therapists will conveniently discount these experiences as invalid. They lose all credibility right there. If you're going to say that your approach is scientific and based on evidence, then ALL evidence should be accepted.

Then there's the cognitive side of things which is just a total disaster IMO. It operates on the principle that thoughts = feelings, which is hardly ever the case. I might know that some of my thoughts/anxieties are irrational, but it doesn't change how I feel. I know that it's irrational to be afraid of talking to other people, but that doesn't alleviate the intense anxiety or physical symptoms I experience when I'm in a social situation. Mental illness does NOT listen to reason, period. That's what these morons need to understand. Also, has a therapist ever told you something like "if it doesn't work, it's because you don't believe it will?" Yeah, within the scientific community, that's called the placebo effect. By definition, a placebo has no therapeutic value. We may as well be popping sugar pills. It blows my mind that this is an accepted form of treatment. And it's highly unethical because we actually have to pay $$$ for it and so many end up worse off than they were before. I believe (and hope) that one day CBT will be exposed for the scam it is and grouped with psychoanalysis, hypnosis, and all the other useless forms of treatment we've seen throughout history.

I have an 8 session limit here too. It's fucking ridiculous. Do they honestly think a lifetime supply of problems can be solved within 8 hours?
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