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Originally Posted by leviathan
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Wow, I don't know how to say this without ruffling feathers, but hopefully you get I mean it in good nature and concern for others not you or I. But this is a VERY debated question which affects the medical decisions people make for themselves with an ilness that can be life altering and devestating. So considering the debate, I wanted to ask or advice i dunno exactly, that you avoid presenting one side of a case so strongly. It can be misleading.
I don't have the link at hand, but I recently had a study brought to my attentino which actually shows that depresed people think more. Rumination. Depression is actually also thought to be a biological indicator of something wrong, and hence causes this rumination (over thinking) as a defense mechanism to help us figure out what exactly.
In my opinion, as humans, if we're not forewarned, the feeling of depression itself makes us feel frantic and misleads us from calmly using it as a tool to help dig to the root. Essentially leaving us misguided and pegging each think we think of as a problem until we've bashed in our lives, ourselves and every possible thing that could go wrong in a person's life mentally.
In any case, the study did not say this, but simpyl that the remination effect and the related studies showed a higher ability for intellectual analytics in dpressed persons.
To show a scan and stating with such certainty a diminished brain activity for depressed people in a depression forum, as i'm sure you can see, worried me immensly.
Firstly, I think we all feel hopeless enough with just the depression, and without scans...
Secondly, a scan showing less brain activity could be due to the lethargy and other lack of activity we have in depressed states, it is not conclusively saying that we cannot think. They have not actually mapped out the human brain accurately enough to state that with certainty i don't think, and considering our entire body is run on our brains, the fact that most of our other insterests and even motor skills are utterly demotivated at best when fully depressed is also a likely casueo f a diminished activity pattern on a scan right? So all in all the debate rages on with psych professionals, i'd hate to take the results of one study and leave it as a final statemetn with people who are otherwise vulnearble.
hopefully ou understand what i meant now when i said you could take this the wrong way, but so you know i don't diagree wth whaty ou said or if your sources are viable or anything like that. only that its a bit reckless to give only one side if in a situation where people shoud be fully informed as these decisions could be detrimental to their health.
I think meds do alleviate the feelings, and some people have said it outright works and cured them. If it works it works, why question it? fair enough.
but to say that is the way is a bit much considering a doctor of 50 years can't say that.
please be careful.
i do have a question for you, so as you see why i would protest so...lol. you said in the post before
Your brain is a machine, you think with that machine. If the machine is not functioning properly your thoughts/feelings get distorted.
which i completely agree with btw, but my question is - have you considered how your brain malfunctioned to begin with?
The brain is a machine, however it is organic, so it adapts. A computer for example will malfunction when a virus is present, that application will not work period or whichever place the bug is at will not etc. the brain on the otherhand is there to keep you running, it does not malfunction - it adapts for your survival. look up maladaptive coping mechanisms, from my understanding, depression has also been a signal in much the same way that our brain has infused in us so as to get us out of a situation or danger or help us cope with something and just keep us surviving...
For example - bad relationship, you get depressed, you maybe inclined to leave...
so to assume its all chemical now leaves you at risk too right? So please also for yourself consider both sides.
I personally have flip flopped amongst both, and since early this year i have actually not had a suicidal urge (mind you thoughts i've had since age 8, i'm 24 now, so cannot avoid those) - but the urge to do it i have got over. I got to that stage simply by realizing the urge was desperation, the thought was simply a cue from my brain that i was off somehow. something was off somehow.
Funnily enough it tookk many years and docs and meds, but my diagnosis i found on my own - 8 years of fucking hell i telly ou - and a lot fo luck, chance, reading aand so forth, but the final treatment i directed, the therapy was me, the last therapist gave me 1 clue (after a succession of 5-6 docs i failed with) at the beginning of the year which I did hold on to as much as it felt like psycho bable shrink talk, and out of pure desperation (like you said, what could it hurt? i already tried the meds anyway...) i just listened instead of being my usual smartass, and now its unraveled a truth that has been the reason for my overall betterment.
I'm not perfect, emotionally i'm a wreck working on a lot on my own now, but the bottom cause i think i have found, i have not been depressed intensly or suicidal in 5 solid months - a first since i was 16 i can't remember that happening. Sometimes, the meds are simply to calm our minds down, and there was one which did that for me, and i wuit it and used a lot fo weed after lol, but in the end it worked for me. I would not advie self-meds though, the weed does cuse CRAZY shit (its a hallucinogen and we should never overestimate ourselves caue like a computer virus is destructive chemicals are equally destructive to our bodies and that is biological we can't outthink it etc.)
anyway...that's just my long long over concerned drivel, but i hope it helps. and you don't take it the wrong way. and from teh sounds of it we're a lot alike in how we think, if not the actual opinions, so if ever you do want to just talk, feel free to drop me a line :)
